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Turning Homemade Bars Into a National Brand

Building
June 10, 2025
Bill and Leigh Keith share how Perfect Bar went big.
Topics discussed in the episode:
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How important is customer feedback in achieving product-market fit?
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How can family dynamics contribute to team building in a startup?
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What are the challenges and benefits of bootstrapping your startup?
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How to scale production efficiently to meet growing demand?
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How can in-store demos boost product sales?
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How to overcome internal resistance when adding new product lines?
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When is the right time to bring in investors?
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How to handle a product recall crisis?
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What impact can rebranding have on product sales?
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How to break into major retailers like Whole Foods?

How important is customer feedback in achieving product-market fit?

Listening to customers is crucial for refining your product.

\"We'd give it to our friends... folks would say this is the best snack that they've ever had... Every time we'd give it to our friends, folks would say this is the best snack that they've ever had.\"

  • Use feedback to validate and improve your product.
  • Early adopters can provide valuable insights.
  • Continual refinement leads to better market fit.

How can family dynamics contribute to team building in a startup?

Family bonds can strengthen teamwork but require clear roles.

\"We all did those demos ourselves... that was our weekends... It's a bond like no other, that's for sure.\"

  • Utilize trust and shared vision inherent in family teams.
  • Define roles to ensure professional relationships.
  • Be mindful of balancing personal and business interactions.

What are the challenges and benefits of bootstrapping your startup?

Bootstrapping fosters resourcefulness but has limitations.

\"You start going 3 or 4 months... not hitting your hurdles, starting to get bigger and bigger debt... we found ourselves in a point where we had a month's worth of cash left.\"

  • Bootstrapping forces efficient use of resources.
  • Limited funds can impede growth and scalability.
  • External funding may become necessary to expand operations.

How to scale production efficiently to meet growing demand?

Scaling production requires innovation and investment in automation.

\"We produced 7 million bars... then able to convert to these small pieces of equipment... we were able to scale... to produce 20 million bars.\"

  • Invest in machinery to increase production capacity.
  • Automate processes to improve efficiency and consistency.
  • Continuously seek solutions to production bottlenecks.

How can in-store demos boost product sales?

Engaging customers directly through demos can drive significant sales.

\"We could sell $400 to $600 in product where a Costco, you could walk in... and you'd set up your 10 by 10 booth... and we could move anywhere from... $12,000... to $40,000 in 4 days.\"

  • In-person demos create personal connections with customers.
  • Sampling can significantly increase sales volume.
  • Demos help in educating customers about your product's benefits.

How to overcome internal resistance when adding new product lines?

Adapting to market demands sometimes requires tough internal changes.

\"Wayne Wu... says, Bill, have you ever considered a chocolate with peanut butter? We were like... our customers would leave us... No, they wouldn't... Introducing a chocolate chip peanut bar... became the number one seller.\"

  • Be open to new ideas even if they challenge tradition.
  • Data and market trends can guide product development.
  • Successful innovation may require stepping out of comfort zones.

When is the right time to bring in investors?

Timing investment can accelerate growth when you're ready.

\"We decided that we wanted to take a next step with this brand... we had gone 3 million to 7 million to 15 million... it's hard to build a business and scale... without anything in the bank.\"

  • Consider external funding when scaling requires more resources.
  • Ensure you have a clear growth trajectory before seeking investment.
  • Choose investors who align with your vision and can add value.

How to handle a product recall crisis?

Managing a product recall effectively can save your business in a crisis.

\"Our own test on ourselves came back with a positive microbe... So I'm calling these folks that I have spent years... and telling them that this product needs to be returned and it's crushing.\"

  • Be proactive and transparent with partners during crises.
  • Prioritize customer safety over short-term losses.
  • Use setbacks to improve processes and build trust.

What impact can rebranding have on product sales?

Refreshing your brand can significantly boost visibility and sales.

\"When you change the packaging and the branding, what does it do for sales? 40% or at least a 40%, 40% lift just right.\"

  • Rebranding can capture new customer interest.
  • Updated packaging can communicate value more effectively.
  • Investing in brand identity pays off in increased sales.

How to break into major retailers like Whole Foods?

Entering major retailers can transform a startup's distribution and visibility.

\"One of the folks that attended our booth worked at Berkeley Whole Foods... I end up getting a meeting at the local corporate office... we were fortunate enough to get a one store test for 30 days.\"

  • Leverage local events to make critical connections.
  • Seize small opportunities to demonstrate product demand.
  • In-store demos can drive sales and retailer confidence.